Anyone else see the woman (on Breakfast this morning) who went around town wearing a sandwich board proclaiming her skills, and also handing out CVs?

She got a job offer in 4 days !!!

Contrast that with the zillions who stay in bed demanding yet more hand-outs.

A question for veritas (and anyone else who wants to contribute) -

WHY do the jobless vote Labour ?

The BBC has produced a very useful map showing unemployment by constituency. You can see it here -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117

Hover over the area and it will tell you the percentage unemployed. The vast majority are around 1-2%. (Here in West Derbyshire - main industries, tourism and agriculture - it's 1.9% but I suspect alot of that is due to seasonal employment).

Almost without exception the highest areas - eg Hull at 8% and Hartlepool at 7.7% - have Labour Councils and Labour MPs (and most have ONLY ever had Labour Councils and Labour MPs !!!).

Why would people vote for someone (if they are serious about getting a job !!) who is almost certain to repress the economy and job market?

Why not elect, say, a Tory - and put pressure on them to improve prospects?

Or ... is the thought of someone "solving" your unemployment problem a little too much to bear (LOL !!!!) ?

In The Know wrote:
A question for veritas (and anyone else who wants to contribute) -

WHY do the jobless vote Labour ?

The BBC has produced a very useful map showing unemployment by constituency. You can see it here -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117

Hover over the area and it will tell you the percentage unemployed. The vast majority are around 1-2%. (Here in West Derbyshire - main industries, tourism and agriculture - it's 1.9% but I suspect alot of that is due to seasonal employment).

Almost without exception the highest areas - eg Hull at 8% and Hartlepool at 7.7% - have Labour Councils and Labour MPs (and most have ONLY ever had Labour Councils and Labour MPs !!!).

Why would people vote for someone (if they are serious about getting a job !!) who is almost certain to repress the economy and job market?

Why not elect, say, a Tory - and put pressure on them to improve prospects?

Or ... is the thought of someone "solving" your unemployment problem a little too much to bear (LOL !!!!) ?

...and how are the Tories 'solving' unemployment exactly? 100,000 have lost their jobs in the public sector and rising and cuts to benefits and services are not going to get people back into work. The Tories track record on unemployment is atrocious, and it would have been far wiser for anyone who wishes to spend a lifetime on the dole to vote Tory.

The Fat Controller wrote:
...and how are the Tories 'solving' unemployment exactly? 100,000 have lost their jobs in the public sector

... and 111,000 are now in self-employment (source - tonight's BBC News)!

We cant afford to pay someone to do a job that doesn't need doing, FC, just to keep the unemployable off the streets.

Thats what happened in Greece ... they went bust ... now they cant even afford to pay pensions !

To quote Peter, Paul and Mary .... when will they ever learn ?

In The Know wrote:
[quote]The Fat Controller wrote:
...

To quote Peter, Paul and Mary .... when will they ever learn ?

Peter Paul and Mary got on a jet plane,Tory Norman Tebbit's father got on his bike...I'm back on my jet plane next week for a longer term job in Gibraltar...plenty of work there....we can leave Norm's bike for Veritas

Innocent Accused wrote:
[quote]In The Know wrote:
The Fat Controller wrote:
...

To quote Peter, Paul and Mary .... when will they ever learn ?

Peter Paul and Mary got on a jet plane,Tory Norman Tebbit's father got on his bike...I'm back on my jet plane next week for a longer term job in Gibraltar...plenty of work there....we can leave Norm's bike for Veritas

I did actually just buy a push bike last week to peddle around in the glorious sunshine ! (if it ever comes...raining today).

ITK has been peering in people's bedroom windows again and has come up with a 21st Century solution to a world-wide growing phenomena (lack of jobs)..

3 million people will be walking the streets with sandwich boards (maybe during the Olympics)
brilliant !

veritas wrote:


3 million people will be walking the streets with sandwich boards (maybe during the Olympics)
brilliant !

Good training for a job at subway for after

veritas wrote:
I did actually just buy a push bike last week to peddle around in the glorious sunshine ! (if it ever comes...raining today).

ITK has been peering in people's bedroom windows again and has come up with a 21st Century solution to a world-wide growing phenomena (lack of jobs)..

3 million people will be walking the streets with sandwich boards (maybe during the Olympics)
brilliant !

I'm sorry if the question was too difficult for you, veritas !!!!

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
I did actually just buy a push bike last week to peddle around in the glorious sunshine ! (if it ever comes...raining today).

ITK has been peering in people's bedroom windows again and has come up with a 21st Century solution to a world-wide growing phenomena (lack of jobs)..

3 million people will be walking the streets with sandwich boards (maybe during the Olympics)
brilliant !

I'm sorry if the question was too difficult for you, veritas !!!!

yes..it was too difficult because I can't answer a question when it's impossible to verify the basis of it ie : I do not and never will know how millions of individual people vote although I can see by the results how they have voted en masse.

It's another of your sweeping claims and weird ilogical questions..ie: how do we fit a few million unemployed and under employed into a few hundred thousand vacancies ?

Might be worth pointing out that exactly the same holds true in the US - the main Republican voting base is in the "flyover" states, rife with poverty and unemployment, yet they happily vote for the party dedicated to keeping the rich rich, and the poor poor.

.veritas wrote:
It's another of your sweeping claims and weird ilogical questions..

It's a statement of fact, veritas !

Check all the "solid" Labour seats - all full of dolers - and all full of people who keep voting Labour !

The MD wrote:
Might be worth pointing out that exactly the same holds true in the US - the main Republican voting base is in the "flyover" states, rife with poverty and unemployment, yet they happily vote for the party dedicated to keeping the rich rich, and the poor poor.

It must be something to do with the mindset of the lower class, MD.

If they looked at their situation logically - why continue to vote over and over again for a party that has failed them so often ?

veritas wrote:
ITK has come up with a 21st Century solution to a world-wide growing phenomena (lack of jobs)..

There is NO lack of jobs, veritas.

Last months employment figures (in the UK) confirmed that more than 29 MILLION ARE working.

The problem is the underclass, who continue to breed, even though they will have a low expectation and zero ability. They expect us to finance / feed them !

Especially for your benefit (and I'm sorry I forgot to tell you about this earlier) Channel Four have a new series on them ... its called

15 KIDS AND COUNTING www.channel4.com/programmes/15-kids-and-counting (the clue is in the title).

In the first prog a woman had dropped out 15 kids (so far !) and she was only 36 !

The MD wrote:
Might be worth pointing out that exactly the same holds true in the US - the main Republican voting base is in the "flyover" states, rife with poverty and unemployment, yet they happily vote for the party dedicated to keeping the rich rich, and the poor poor.

it's one of the very bizarre aspects of US politics over the past 70 years.

The South was a Democratic stronghold with real working class heroes who went into bat for the working man.

Now those same working men have switched to the Republicans who care little for their constituency.

The problem in the US now is whoever you vote for-Wall Street's man gets in.

In The Know wrote:
The problem is the underclass, who continue to breed, even though they will have a low expectation and zero ability. They expect us to finance / feed them !!

Think about this, veritas.
We live in a modern world ... we need people with motivation, talent, skills. People who will get off their asses and do something (not expect the world to do it for them).

They blame anybody and everybody for their ills.
They didn't get a good enough education (but spent most of the time skiving and left school barely able to read !)

The government wont find them jobs.
Its not - and never has been - the government's place to find people jobs. When governments start businesses (nationalisation) just to keep the unemployment figures down those same businesses need massive hand-outs !!!!

Don't start me off on state education - that only began in the 1890's and prior to that people like William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Charles Darwin, Sir Walter Raleigh, Capt Cook etc didn't do too badly !

Perhaps the above named didn't have sofas to lie on ..........?

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
ITK has come up with a 21st Century solution to a world-wide growing phenomena (lack of jobs)..

There is NO lack of jobs, veritas.

Last months employment figures (in the UK) confirmed that more than 29 MILLION ARE working.

The problem is the underclass, who continue to breed, even though they will have a low expectation and zero ability. They expect us to finance / feed them !

Especially for your benefit (and I'm sorry I forgot to tell you about this earlier) Channel Four have a new series on them ... its called

15 KIDS AND COUNTING www.channel4.com/programmes/15-kids-and-counting (the clue is in the title).

In the first prog a woman had dropped out 15 kids (so far !) and she was only 36 !

Ukraine has no welfare state,and while it has its plus side the downside is that most people have only one child,and the population is going down alarmingly....maybe we could send veritas over with a supply of broken condoms?

don't worry..I won't start you off.

ITK...there was no welfare state 100 years ago when my Grandfather was born. My Grandfather once recalled children turning up at school with no shoes on their feet. Some of them so malnourished they had rickets. Do you wish to see a return to soup kitchens? Mass homelessness, deprivation, and in many cases starvation? And where does the money the unemployed receive go? It goes straight back into the system.

I concede that welfare dependency is a problem but that is the fault of Government, like that or not. If generations of people have gone straight from an education system (designed to keep them stupid)straight onto the dole then don't you think that is more by design rather than choice?

And if people such as yourself continually refer to the unemployed as being lazy and feckless who in god's name is going to employ them?

If you wish to see a change in the attitude of the long term unemployed you at first must see there needs to be a change in attitude from everyone.

Starving people out onto the streets is no way to go about it. Educating people and investing in people is most certainly the correct way to go. The latter isn't happening due to bad government. Benefit cuts are not going to get the vast majority back into work.

My own view is that the long term unemployed should be forced into further education and training...but that means investment. You can't have one without t'other.

The Fat Controller wrote:
ITK...there was no welfare state 100 years ago when my Grandfather was born. My Grandfather once recalled children turning up at school with no shoes on their feet. Some of them so malnourished they had rickets. Do you wish to see a return to soup kitchens? Mass homelessness, deprivation, and in many cases starvation? And where does the money the unemployed receive go? It goes straight back into the system.

I concede that welfare dependency is a problem but that is the fault of Government, like that or not. If generations of people have gone straight from an education system (designed to keep them stupid)straight onto the dole then don't you think that is more by design rather than choice?

And if people such as yourself continually refer to the unemployed as being lazy and feckless who in god's name is going to employ them?

If you wish to see a change in the attitude of the long term unemployed you at first must see there needs to be a change in attitude from everyone.

Starving people out onto the streets is no way to go about it. Educating people and investing in people is most certainly the correct way to go. The latter isn't happening due to bad government. Benefit cuts are not going to get the vast majority back into work.

My own view is that the long term unemployed should be forced into further education and training...but that means investment. You can't have one without t'other.

Ah, FC ! Your heart is in the right place - I can see that.
You are a lovely chap - but there are people out there who will see that as weakness - and play on it !!!!

You say more investment is needed. How much more? Given that we currently invest around 100K in each child (education / healthcare) between birth and work age ... how much more do you think we need to spend? Another 150K? 200K? 500K?

And as the current 100K has failed to motivate these people - what makes you think another 150 / 200 / 500K would motivate them?

I'm reminded (by this discussion) of the sex education debate. In the 50s people were shocked by the number of pregnant teenagers. "They need education" they screamed - and so the sex education industry was born.

Each and every year since then we have spent more and more on education, free condoms, abortions, morning-after pills, drop-in centres, councillors, advisors etc etc - and the teenage pregnancy rated has increased in each and every year ! Some solution !!!!

What happened, of course, is that we took away people's responsibility for their own actions. We said "It doesn't matter - it's not your fault". Well ... it IS their fault. You are playing right into their hands by making their excuses for them.

We now have soup kitchens that hand out free meals (so people can spend their food money on scratch cards).

We now have charities that hand out warm winter clothes (so people can spend their clothing money on lottery tickets).

Have you ever noticed how these people (who can't feed their kids) ALL seem to have the latest mobile phone?

Have you noticed how they have no food in the larder, or carpets on the floor, yet ALL seem to have an 86" flat-screen TV with PlayStation?

But not to worry ... if things get tough they can always get themselves knocked-up again, then they can use the lump-sum maternity grant to buy a new X-Box !

You mention your grandfather. I always remember my grandmother being terrified of the workhouse. She never had much money but always managed to pay her way and ensure she was never in debt.

These people KNOW that if they dont feed themselves someone will come along .... They need teaching a lesson, and like my grandmother, they will have learnt a very useful lesson indeed.

Both Tories and Noo Labour (Tory Lite) will not change the current system . They'll tinker at the edges to keep the ITK's and the far right happy.

Then when it all costs too much it will just quietly go back to how it's been for the past 30 years.

end of story..except for ITK who will still be peering in bedrooms windows to catch welfare mums snoozing...like that bus supervisor in On The Buses