(ITK avert your eyes)

yet another government 'initiative I could have predicted would happen.

Commissioning private firms to assist the unemployed into jobs is bizarre.

You are asking them to put themselves out of business eventually by being successful, ot encouraging them to make money by putting people through a revolving door of jobs or admitting there will be permaent unemploymwnt.

The Tories / Noo Labour adopt silly Oz policies and visa versa and none of them work. Politicians devoid of original thought.

(one for ITK : the wife os soon-to-be leftie Oz PM Kevin Rudd has amassed a $100M fortune via these "employment' agencies including in the UK)

veritas wrote:
(ITK avert your eyes)

Commissioning private firms to assist the unemployed into jobs is bizarre.

You are asking them to put themselves out of business eventually by being successful, ot encouraging them to make money by putting people through a revolving door of jobs or admitting there will be permaent unemploymwnt.

It keeps them off the streets, veritas !

They are "supposed" to be "Job Seekers" (stop laughing !!!!) but most dont get out of bed till 2pm.

If they wont motivate themselves - we'll have to pay someone to do it for them.

(Maybe ... just maybe ... they will get so fed-up with having to turn up for training courses etc at 9 (AM !!!!) every day that they might ... just might ... get a job !)

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
(ITK avert your eyes)

Commissioning private firms to assist the unemployed into jobs is bizarre.

You are asking them to put themselves out of business eventually by being successful, ot encouraging them to make money by putting people through a revolving door of jobs or admitting there will be permaent unemploymwnt.

It keeps them off the streets, veritas !

They are "supposed" to be "Job Seekers" (stop laughing !!!!) but most dont get out of bed till 2pm.

If they wont motivate themselves - we'll have to pay someone to do it for them.

(Maybe ... just maybe ... they will get so fed-up with having to turn up for training courses etc at 9 (AM !!!!) every day that they might ... just might ... get a job !)

there you go peeping into people's bedroom windows again.

why do people have to be kept off the street?

I thought you said it wasn't a government's job to create jobs.

You can fiddle and piddle around the edges as much as you want,but the real solutions require jobs!...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

Innocent Accused wrote:
...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Cut-off the benefits ... they we'll see some action (they may even find a job !!!)

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

This one isn't (admittedly as a matter of necessity).

Astonishing, but true ... those who bleed the system dry and contribute nothing, actually have a vote !

In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Cut-off the benefits ... they we'll see some action (they may even find a job !!!)

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

This one isn't (admittedly as a matter of necessity).

Astonishing, but true ... those who bleed the system dry and contribute nothing, actually have a vote !

No Thatcher wasn't scared of cutting off benefits and no PM or government since has been...they merely face reality that a few million people on benefits have enormous spending power and if that vanished there would be a domino effect with business grinding to a halt with catostrophic results.

that will not change under any government of any persuasion so get used to it. Just fidling at the edges.

how outrageous !!..the unemployed have a vote !..should be restricted to the land owning squires surely

In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Cut-off the benefits ... they we'll see some action (they may even find a job !!!)

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

This one isn't (admittedly as a matter of necessity).

Astonishing, but true ... those who bleed the system dry and contribute nothing, actually have a vote !

The real problem is those at the top have failed for years to take the action necessary for the long term good of the nation.
Too much pandering to the meejah,not enough about taking the tough decisions often necessary if the medicine will work.

Innocent Accused wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Cut-off the benefits ... they we'll see some action (they may even find a job !!!)

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

This one isn't (admittedly as a matter of necessity).

Astonishing, but true ... those who bleed the system dry and contribute nothing, actually have a vote !

The real problem is those at the top have failed for years to take the action necessary for the long term good of the nation.
Too much pandering to the meejah,not enough about taking the tough decisions often necessary if the medicine will work.

Who says a government must take 'long term' approaches..for who ? those who come in the future?. Why?

veritas wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
...and a change in benefit systems that will make taking jobs a realistic proposition!!

Cut-off the benefits ... they we'll see some action (they may even find a job !!!)

Thatcher knew this,as did every government after her,all were scared to act.

This one isn't (admittedly as a matter of necessity).

Astonishing, but true ... those who bleed the system dry and contribute nothing, actually have a vote !

The real problem is those at the top have failed for years to take the action necessary for the long term good of the nation.
Too much pandering to the meejah,not enough about taking the tough decisions often necessary if the medicine will work.

Who says a government must take 'long term' approaches..for who ? those who come in the future?. Why?

Stop being silly

Training courses do not work they to swindle the the figures, every time they put you on one they close your claim but you still claim benefits. They put you in placements which you don't want never put you where you want to be and it's all compulsory. Staff are over stretched that they leave people to their own devices to look for work, a 8 PC's for 30 people and it's funny when you say to them 'Gizza us a job' I never known anyone to benefit from them if the Government wants to save money then cut these.

veritas wrote:
...they merely face reality that a few million people on benefits have enormous spending power and if that vanished there would be a domino effect with business grinding to a halt with catostrophic results.

This just shows what rubbish you talk, veritas !

Millions IN WORK (rather than scrounging) would have FAR MORE SPENDING POWER wouldn't they ?

The rest of society would not have to subsidise (scroungers) as much - so they too would have MORE SPENDING POWER ALSO !

GET A JOB !

Innocent Accused wrote:
The real problem is those at the top have failed for years to take the action necessary for the long term good of the nation.

Good point, IA - but nothing to do with the media.
It's our electoral system that is at fault.

Each government is concerned with only one thing - getting re-elected within 5 years.

That does not incentivise them to plan longterm ... governments are not keen on asking us to invest now, for something that will pay rewards in the (long distant) future !

andrew wrote:
Training courses do not work they to swindle the the figures, every time they put you on one they close your claim but you still claim benefits. They put you in placements which you don't want never put you where you want to be and it's all compulsory. Staff are over stretched that they leave people to their own devices to look for work, a 8 PC's for 30 people and it's funny when you say to them 'Gizza us a job' I never known anyone to benefit from them if the Government wants to save money then cut these.

What would YOUR soluction be then, andrew ?

Remember - there is nothing to invest (Labour has already spent it !).

I maintain that its up to individuals to do what they can to make themselves employable.

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
...they merely face reality that a few million people on benefits have enormous spending power and if that vanished there would be a domino effect with business grinding to a halt with catostrophic results.

This just shows what rubbish you talk, veritas !

Millions IN WORK (rather than scrounging) would have FAR MORE SPENDING POWER wouldn't they ?

The rest of society would not have to subsidise (scroungers) as much - so they too would have MORE SPENDING POWER ALSO !

GET A JOB !

I agree..subsidising the scrounging bankers is an outrage.

My solution is this ITK free adult evening college courses to learn a trade or skill, the amount of money they invest in New Deal can go towards these.
I been trying to volunteer as outreach worker, peer support and mentoring but there are no more placements locally. The Volunteer Centre's gives volunteers free phones to keep forever there is money that the Government is hiding they can help to bail out Greece, Ireland and money to Zimbabwe to pour down the swanny.

We should of gotten out the EU when had the chance to it don't work just cripples the countries.

andrew wrote:
My solution is this ITK free adult evening college courses to learn a trade or skill, the amount of money they invest in New Deal can go towards these.
I been trying to volunteer as outreach worker, peer support and mentoring but there are no more placements locally. The Volunteer Centre's gives volunteers free phones to keep forever there is money that the Government is hiding they can help to bail out Greece, Ireland and money to Zimbabwe to pour down the swanny.

We should of gotten out the EU when had the chance to it don't work just cripples the countries.

excellent idea but ITK doesn't believe it's the government's role to provide jobs (unless it's an unpaid one at Tesco or cleaning houses for real estate agents )

andrew wrote:
My solution is this ITK free adult evening college courses to learn a trade or skill, the amount of money they invest in New Deal can go towards these.

I thought these were available (and free !) already ?

The problem, andrew, is that the idle dolers will simply not bother.
There needs to be some way to compel these people to do something (to help themselves).

I been trying to volunteer as outreach worker, peer support and mentoring but there are no more placements locally.

Good luck with this - sounds worthwhile.

there is money that the Government is hiding they can help to bail out Greece, Ireland and money to Zimbabwe to pour down the swanny.

Quite probably - but we must make sure that cash is properly invested. We've spent zilions trying to get the unemployed into something worthwhile, but it has (largely) been money down the drain. That (I believe) is because the unemployed (largely) dont want to work and will do whatever to sabotage any scheme.

We should of gotten out the EU when had the chance to it don't work just cripples the countries.

Another debate entirely ... we sell most of our exports to the Eurozone - getting rid of our best customer is not a way to success I would suggest !

andrew wrote:
My solution is this ITK free adult evening college courses to learn a trade or skill, the amount of money they invest in New Deal can go towards these.
I been trying to volunteer as outreach worker, peer support and mentoring but there are no more placements locally. The Volunteer Centre's gives volunteers free phones to keep forever there is money that the Government is hiding they can help to bail out Greece, Ireland and money to Zimbabwe to pour down the swanny.

We should of gotten out the EU when had the chance to it don't work just cripples the countries.

The unemployed used to get free college,both day or night versions.Not up to date,but can't really see why it would change.
The real problem is having the jobs,and giving those unemployed an incentive to actually take them.How the latter is done is where the problem really lies......ask Veritas and ITK,and you'll get 2 completely differing answers.

Thousands of people are trying to go college to learn something ITK the problem is this if they go, their benefits are stopped unless your a single mum, no they are not free they are very pricey and you got admin charges on top.

New Deal cost millions every year people have done it for years and still got nothing why it don't work and never has. Just that shops and businesses can have free labour for a few months and still get nothing after.

The FJF what the Labor Party introduced was great you have a real job working for the min wage with a 6 months contract and at the end you got a reference.

This Government needs to be out.

The unemployed used to get free college,both day or night versions.

Not any more Innocent A, Jobcentre they send you on to job clubs for a few months that's all, I been trying to get them pay for a course I want to do but they won't pay but all these foreigners get everything. The Government need to hire someone who been out of work to shake up and explain to Cameron why it's not working as it should be.

They have no clue because no MP or PM as ever had to sign on they all come from rich privilege backgrounds.