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You should tell him that FGTR had nothing to do with the Bee Gees - it was Crosby Stills and Nash I pointed them at because they weren't yet proficient on instruments and keeping them predominantly accoustic meant they could hear more easily if they went out of tune and correct it. Remember these were 16 year olds. Beginning.
No GM I never sang or performed at all on Genesis tracks (tempted to play drums - they didn't find a good drummer until Phil and that was the one instrument I couldn't make accoustic; remember - they were 16 years old. With very cheap instruments - I remember Peter buying and learning the flute). They KEPT making mistakes but at least could hear and correct them - the trend in those days - if out of tune, play louder and drown it out! Even feedback was used for that. Considering I was so young and inexperienced myself I think I was a very good producer and I'm very proud of that album; a superb foundation for an incredible career. WAY more important in a career than anything the teenage Beatles/Stones/Floyd/Queen could have made (the others in the biggest ever Brit bands).
Peter could sing the phone book and make it sound awesome. Cherry Red should release a complete Ant Phillips box set. They did 'pop' studio album set by Tony Banks.
I was shocked last year to see the 2 Mike Rutherford studio albums in a second hand furniture junk shop.
Genesis never made a seminal album in the way that Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie, or the Beatles did. Most people couldn't name any Genesis albums. Phil Collins has had more success outside of Genesis. None of this is particularly my taste, but the facts speak for themselves. I liked Invisible touch, and Paper late, but there was a lot better stuff around at the time, imho.
robbiex wrote: Genesis never made a seminal album in the way that Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie, or the Beatles did. Most people couldn't name any Genesis albums. Phil Collins has had more success outside of Genesis. None of this is particularly my taste, but the facts speak for themselves. I liked Invisible touch, and Paper late, but there was a lot better stuff around at the time, imho.
Each to their own Robbie. I find post-Peter Green Fleetwood Mac utter shite I do love their 3 albums.
They were great as a raw blues band and should of stuck as that.
I find Bowie boring apart from China Girl, I never got in to Pink Floyd...I find Dark of the Moon a tiresome dirge like, Animals and Division Bell.
It was only the time I bought the singles Robbie is when Genesis had the non-album tracks. 3x3 is a fine EP.
I think Nursery Cryme, LLDOB and Foxtrot are their seminal albums however they take patience.
JK2006 wrote: You should tell him that FGTR had nothing to do with the Bee Gees - it was Crosby Stills and Nash I pointed them at
As far as I can determine FGTR was recorded in August 1968 and was released in March 1969.
The first Crosby, Stills and Nash album wasn’t released until May 1969
It was definitely CSN Blue Boy - maybe American release? Quite possibly BEFORE proper release (I was friendly at that time with West Coast people like Monkees, Byrds etc). And possibly early demo or single (I adored Suite Judy and M Express)?
JK2006 wrote: It was definitely CSN Blue Boy - maybe American release? Quite possibly BEFORE proper release (I was friendly at that time with West Coast people like Monkees, Byrds etc). And possibly early demo or single (I adored Suite Judy and M Express)?
Graham Nash didn't leave The Hollies and relocate to the USA until December 1968 so no recorded CSN material was available in USA or UK until 1969
Blue Boy wrote: JK2006 wrote: You should tell him that FGTR had nothing to do with the Bee Gees - it was Crosby Stills and Nash I pointed them at
As far as I can determine FGTR was recorded in August 1968 and was released in March 1969.
The first Crosby, Stills and Nash album wasn’t released until May 1969
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
A lot of demos or outtakes did eventually end up on bootlegs. Maybe JK had a cassette of the test copy made by a friend.
Flea markets in New Orleans, San Fran, California, Houston, Nevada were full of bootlegs tapes which contained both recent live recordings at that time or had rough demos.
I used to see tables full of unofficial Byrds cassettes at a price in San Fran.
I have a friend in Long Island who was collecting Beatles bootlegs way before people bought the Anthology sets. He bought a lot of Beatles bootleg records at the early years of Beatlesfest...he got of some Monkees white label demo pressings on 45s there also in the early/mid 80s.
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
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Green Man, Your statement is correct and your defence of JK is admirable but unfortunately on this occasion the facts don’t support JK’s contention that he referenced CSN to Genesis as part of the FGTR recording process which apparently took place in August 1968 before any CSN recording sessions. As far as I can see the Bee Gees reference is to the song “The Silent Sun” which was released even earlier in February 1968 and that is long before the CSN
Well I have to admit to failing memory at 78. But I clearly remember playing the guys a track - I thought it was CSN - because the young students' electric instruments were inexpensive and kept going out of tune so, before recording, I wanted them to do tracks accoustically. Specifically this applied to The Silent Sun. And whilst being a huge (and very early) fan of the Bee Gees, I didn't want that kind of sound for Genesis. It was a British version of West Coast soft folk/rock I wanted. I seem to remember it was my friends Davey Jones and Peter Tork from The Monkees who first played me (and gave me) the tracks - at the same time I met Danny Hutton from (later) Three Dog Night, Harry Nillson and Neil Young at Davey's home in Hollywood. We were all very into the early work of Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen and other Canadians too; I came back and turned Kenny Everett and John Lennon onto Harry's stuff.
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
Green Man, Your statement is correct and your defence of JK is admirable but unfortunately on this occasion the facts don’t support JK’s contention that he referenced CSN to Genesis as part of the FGTR recording process which apparently took place in August 1968 before any CSN recording sessions. As far as I can see the Bee Gees reference is to the song “The Silent Sun” which was released even earlier in February 1968 and that is long before the CSN[/quote]
I think Ant Phillips or Peter Gabriel said JK was inspired by Bee Gees. I am not familiar with the Bee Gees early works, I know there were called Rattlesnakes which was folk/skiffle outfit in their early days.
However I open to an education from Blue Boy.
Across California there was nothing but dodgy bootlegs in record fairs and flea markets. One dodgy LP I did have was Byrds - Back Pages. It had some odd live recordings, I think lifted from a TV show and alternative takes, which I believe were never released prior that iffy record.
Another LP one was Byrds - Live in Stockholm which was a bootleg but well produced. I got this both of these LPs in the very late 1980's. It was pot-luck with bootlegs back then, some were very good, some were a waste of money and are only fit for the rubbish bin.
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